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	<title>Comments for seife's assorted rants</title>
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	<description>Move on, nothing to see here.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on A trivial systemd unit script: vboxservice.service by crrodriguez</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/22/a-trivial-systemd-unitscript/comment-page-1/#comment-17386</link>
		<dc:creator>crrodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also 

[Unit]
...
ConditionVirtualization=oracle

Comes handy to ensure it is never started in a non virtualbox guest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also </p>
<p>[Unit]<br />
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ConditionVirtualization=oracle</p>
<p>Comes handy to ensure it is never started in a non virtualbox guest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 12.1 update - no problems and systemd rocks by seife</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/18/121-update-no-problems-and-systemd-rocks/comment-page-1/#comment-17370</link>
		<dc:creator>seife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/?p=433#comment-17370</guid>
		<description>Well, my box starts quite some services, including some slow ones like vdr and stuff, so this might make it slower ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my box starts quite some services, including some slow ones like vdr and stuff, so this might make it slower <img src='http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on 12.1 update - no problems and systemd rocks by Bjørn Lie</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/18/121-update-no-problems-and-systemd-rocks/comment-page-1/#comment-17369</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjørn Lie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long did it take? ;-)

bjolie@embla:~&gt; systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 6407ms (kernel) + 11734ms (userspace) = 18142ms

And no - there is not any ssd disks here, just plain old sata disk in software raid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long did it take? <img src='http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>bjolie@embla:~&gt; systemd-analyze<br />
Startup finished in 6407ms (kernel) + 11734ms (userspace) = 18142ms</p>
<p>And no - there is not any ssd disks here, just plain old sata disk in software raid.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cool. Censored Mailinglists. by seife</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/10/cool-censored-mailinglists/comment-page-1/#comment-17350</link>
		<dc:creator>seife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/?p=419#comment-17350</guid>
		<description>I'm closing comments now due to the spam load. If you want to discuss this, use the factory mailinglist. Don't forget to CC me as my mails only seldom reach that list and thus I'm not reading it anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m closing comments now due to the spam load. If you want to discuss this, use the factory mailinglist. Don&#8217;t forget to CC me as my mails only seldom reach that list and thus I&#8217;m not reading it anymore.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cool. Censored Mailinglists. by seife</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/10/cool-censored-mailinglists/comment-page-1/#comment-17334</link>
		<dc:creator>seife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/?p=419#comment-17334</guid>
		<description>I'm not sure about where your statistics are from (hint: I work on "bluetooth bugs" even without a bugzilla report) but from what I have seen during 12.1, only one bug (the famous "BT is completely broken in GNOME" from Vincent) was from a GNOME user. And that is one that I cannot reproduce - it might be a hardware issue or some temporary glitch, I'm waiting on feedback for this.

There's no need for me being in the GNOME Team btw, the GNOME apps are simply the reference implementation both for Bluetooth and for Networkmanager (that's the things I'm mostly involved with). For suspend / power management, there is (phew!) no desktop code involved in the paths I am interested in, so I don't care.

And of course if I get the first bugreport "Bluetooth works in KDE and not in GNOME" then I will instantly reassign this to the GNOME team - it's just that I have never seen it happen but I have seen it the other way round too  many times.

But that's way beyond what I wanted to tell. Take the discussion to the mailing list, nobody is going to read it here anyway.

Unfortunately I will not be able to answer because I am censored on that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure about where your statistics are from (hint: I work on &#8220;bluetooth bugs&#8221; even without a bugzilla report) but from what I have seen during 12.1, only one bug (the famous &#8220;BT is completely broken in GNOME&#8221; from Vincent) was from a GNOME user. And that is one that I cannot reproduce - it might be a hardware issue or some temporary glitch, I&#8217;m waiting on feedback for this.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no need for me being in the GNOME Team btw, the GNOME apps are simply the reference implementation both for Bluetooth and for Networkmanager (that&#8217;s the things I&#8217;m mostly involved with). For suspend / power management, there is (phew!) no desktop code involved in the paths I am interested in, so I don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>And of course if I get the first bugreport &#8220;Bluetooth works in KDE and not in GNOME&#8221; then I will instantly reassign this to the GNOME team - it&#8217;s just that I have never seen it happen but I have seen it the other way round too  many times.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s way beyond what I wanted to tell. Take the discussion to the mailing list, nobody is going to read it here anyway.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I will not be able to answer because I am censored on that list.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cool. Censored Mailinglists. by TheBlackCat</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/10/cool-censored-mailinglists/comment-page-1/#comment-17332</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If I get a bug assigned, and there is no reproduction without involving KDE, it is going to the KDE maintainers. It’s that easy."

I take it you have no problem dealing with Gnome bugs, despite the fact that KDE has done a better job with bluetooth bugs during the 12.1 cycle than Gnome has.  I have no problem having DE maintainers dealing with DE-related bugs.  But if you are only going to deal with Gnome-specific bugs, maybe you should be on the gnome team rather than claiming, wrongly, to be working for the whole distro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I get a bug assigned, and there is no reproduction without involving KDE, it is going to the KDE maintainers. It’s that easy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I take it you have no problem dealing with Gnome bugs, despite the fact that KDE has done a better job with bluetooth bugs during the 12.1 cycle than Gnome has.  I have no problem having DE maintainers dealing with DE-related bugs.  But if you are only going to deal with Gnome-specific bugs, maybe you should be on the gnome team rather than claiming, wrongly, to be working for the whole distro.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cool. Censored Mailinglists. by seife</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/10/cool-censored-mailinglists/comment-page-1/#comment-17322</link>
		<dc:creator>seife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nelson, I'm certainly not wasting my time on a mailing list where I am not sure if my mails reach the list or if the Censor drops them without even notifying me.

And I will of course continue contributing, I will just be spending no thought on KDE bugs. It is simple: If I get a bug assigned, and there is no reproduction without involving KDE, it is going to the KDE maintainers. It's that easy.

The response to my feature request has clearly shown that the people that are voting on features (where I am pretty sure that this is a different group of persons than the ones actually fixing the problems) does not want a working desktop. Well, let them have their wish :-) But I won't care if something is broken for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nelson, I&#8217;m certainly not wasting my time on a mailing list where I am not sure if my mails reach the list or if the Censor drops them without even notifying me.</p>
<p>And I will of course continue contributing, I will just be spending no thought on KDE bugs. It is simple: If I get a bug assigned, and there is no reproduction without involving KDE, it is going to the KDE maintainers. It&#8217;s that easy.</p>
<p>The response to my feature request has clearly shown that the people that are voting on features (where I am pretty sure that this is a different group of persons than the ones actually fixing the problems) does not want a working desktop. Well, let them have their wish <img src='http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> But I won&#8217;t care if something is broken for them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cool. Censored Mailinglists. by nmarques</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/10/cool-censored-mailinglists/comment-page-1/#comment-17320</link>
		<dc:creator>nmarques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefan,

I have to say in a point I agree with the moderator, we all know where those discussions take people to (and of course I'm one of the regular trolls), and eventually one of this days I'll become the next Kemter. 

On a personal stance and even if we had our disagreements in the past, I think you should consider your decision and continue contributing... I used to play Federated handball (even had 1 modest intervention on the national team) and my old coach used to say: "Só faz falta quem cá está!" (Only those who are present will become 'missed').

Don't turn your back on us dude, we want you to continue contributing and helping openSUSE! You love it, we love you (even KDE haters like me)!

I hope to see you reconsidering and returning to us, and honestly, you will be missed if you decide not to participate anymore.

We might be in opposite factions when it comes to Desktop preferences, but we're brothers in arms when it comes to make openSUSE a better experience, and if that isn't strong enough as a cause, what would be ?

From a friend (at least from my side),
Nelson Marques</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan,</p>
<p>I have to say in a point I agree with the moderator, we all know where those discussions take people to (and of course I&#8217;m one of the regular trolls), and eventually one of this days I&#8217;ll become the next Kemter. </p>
<p>On a personal stance and even if we had our disagreements in the past, I think you should consider your decision and continue contributing&#8230; I used to play Federated handball (even had 1 modest intervention on the national team) and my old coach used to say: &#8220;Só faz falta quem cá está!&#8221; (Only those who are present will become &#8216;missed&#8217;).</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t turn your back on us dude, we want you to continue contributing and helping openSUSE! You love it, we love you (even KDE haters like me)!</p>
<p>I hope to see you reconsidering and returning to us, and honestly, you will be missed if you decide not to participate anymore.</p>
<p>We might be in opposite factions when it comes to Desktop preferences, but we&#8217;re brothers in arms when it comes to make openSUSE a better experience, and if that isn&#8217;t strong enough as a cause, what would be ?</p>
<p>From a friend (at least from my side),<br />
Nelson Marques</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cool. Censored Mailinglists. by TheBlackCat</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/10/cool-censored-mailinglists/comment-page-1/#comment-17316</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that was weird. with the double post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that was weird. with the double post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cool. Censored Mailinglists. by Herbert Graeber</title>
		<link>http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2011/11/10/cool-censored-mailinglists/comment-page-1/#comment-17315</link>
		<dc:creator>Herbert Graeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a clear case of thread hijacking. It started with a problem with mail migration (It wasn't even a problem with kmail2 itself as the subject states).

And it isn't that KDE is really the default desktop.

It's only that the radio button is preselected...
And that is only for new installations...
And those will not be hit by the migration problem the thread started with...

So where where will the change of the preselcted radio button help here?
:-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a clear case of thread hijacking. It started with a problem with mail migration (It wasn&#8217;t even a problem with kmail2 itself as the subject states).</p>
<p>And it isn&#8217;t that KDE is really the default desktop.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only that the radio button is preselected&#8230;<br />
And that is only for new installations&#8230;<br />
And those will not be hit by the migration problem the thread started with&#8230;</p>
<p>So where where will the change of the preselcted radio button help here?<br />
 <img src='http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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